| 2015.05.12 18:18:14 |
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Aaeriele[SOUND] boots up the log formatter
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| 2015.05.12 18:18:18 |
Roshlev_Inkura |
7o
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| 2015.05.12 18:18:23 |
annah_erata |
7o
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| 2015.05.12 18:18:55 |
Roshlev_Inkura |
I got really happy when I saw the ping because I thought strat op :P
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| 2015.05.12 18:19:04 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
there's *also* a stratop soon
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| 2015.05.12 18:19:06 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
you should join it :)
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| 2015.05.12 18:19:24 |
+Aaeriele[SOUND] |
http://aiiane.com/hero5.html
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| 2015.05.12 18:19:25 |
Roshlev_Inkura |
I shall!
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| 2015.05.12 18:19:30 |
+Aaeriele[SOUND] |
for streaming logs
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| 2015.05.12 18:19:47 |
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-: SotC transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pJlKJLfehfCr45Qa74-9RuEB8ucf3Fw4GWLweXoCidE/pub - Q&A logs: http://aiiane.com/hero4.html
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| 2015.05.12 18:19:47 |
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+: May 12 Q&A logs: http://aiiane.com/hero5.html
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| 2015.05.12 18:20:51 |
arnath_othorem[SOUND] |
Aaeriele[SOUND]: encoding issue with emotes? I see "•" there
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| 2015.05.12 18:21:41 |
+Aaeriele[SOUND] |
That's just the character that I have weechat set to prepend to stuff... and I didn't bother with log encodings
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| 2015.05.12 18:21:53 |
+Aaeriele[SOUND] |
iow, cba
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| 2015.05.12 18:22:07 |
Thor[SOUND] |
june_ting[SOUND]: are you still our benevolent space dictator? if so for how much longer?
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| 2015.05.12 18:22:16 |
arnath_othorem[SOUND] |
I think it just needs to tell the browser the encoding
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| 2015.05.12 18:22:23 |
arnath_othorem[SOUND] |
I see my quote as something really funny
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| 2015.05.12 18:22:23 |
+Aaeriele[SOUND] |
arnath_othorem[SOUND]: cf cba
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| 2015.05.12 18:22:45 |
+Aaeriele[SOUND] |
the entire thing is the jankiest of scripts
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| 2015.05.12 18:22:56 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
Thor[SOUND]: until the final couple of systems sov transfer. probably this weekend. after that lychton and I will sit down and figure out if he's ready to resume being the coalition exec
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| 2015.05.12 18:23:11 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
and whether brave's manageable again
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| 2015.05.12 18:23:28 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
but continuity of leadership through the fountain move, sov transfers, etc. is important
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| 2015.05.12 18:24:20 |
Thor[SOUND] |
I can agree with that.
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| 2015.05.12 18:24:27 |
+Aaeriele[SOUND] |
june_ting[SOUND]: how do you think the extra month before fozziesov will affect the coalition, if at all
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| 2015.05.12 18:25:14 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
Aaeriele[SOUND]: honestly, gives us another month to get our shit together. we need to make more firm fozziesov plans as far as fleet coordination/practice etc.
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| 2015.05.12 18:25:36 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
we'd have been pretty fucked if fozziesov hit on June 3 as far as coordinating hitting different nodes etc
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| 2015.05.12 18:25:44 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
so it buys us a little bit more extra time there.
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| 2015.05.12 18:26:02 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
on the downside, we know exactly how well we've been doing at dominion sov, and the answer there is less than ideal
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| 2015.05.12 18:26:26 |
Thor[SOUND] |
Have you read the devblog on the citadel structures?
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| 2015.05.12 18:26:27 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
so there's certainly downsides. we could certainly lose more space between now and July if we fail to perform to our potential
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| 2015.05.12 18:26:45 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
but on the plus side fozziesov favors the attackers to a fairly large extent so
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| 2015.05.12 18:26:58 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
if we do lose space, we'll lose it and retake it
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| 2015.05.12 18:27:16 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
I'm not going to be horridly fussy - there will be some fluid situations, there's a reason we have our primary staging in npc null.
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| 2015.05.12 18:27:34 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
Thor[SOUND]: I skimmed it this afternoon, but I was on a tight timetable to get to my lease signing :)
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| 2015.05.12 18:27:54 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
it's all preliminary stuff though and very much not finalized, so I wouldn't take it as anything remotely approaching what CCP intends to ship
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| 2015.05.12 18:30:53 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
also, fleet ping just went out, folks should join up join up
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| 2015.05.12 18:31:49 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
also, confusingly, the ewar fc also is named june but isn't me :)
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| 2015.05.12 18:32:12 |
arnath_othorem[SOUND] |
yah, that was confusing
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| 2015.05.12 18:32:25 |
opner_dresden |
\o/ more content
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| 2015.05.12 18:32:39 |
arnath_othorem[SOUND] |
what's coalition leadership been up to in the week since the last status update on reddit?
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| 2015.05.12 18:33:06 |
Roshlev_Inkura |
I wish malanek was still doing the standing orders, he only did 3 of them :c
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| 2015.05.12 18:33:15 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
arnath_othorem[SOUND]: mostly figuring out how to solve issues with coalition coordination in terms of domis vs. tengus/eagles vs. cerbs vs. ishtars etc.
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| 2015.05.12 18:33:37 |
arnath_othorem[SOUND] |
[itt SOUND people ask questions. come on coalition friends, surely you have things you're wondering! :P]
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| 2015.05.12 18:33:43 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
and figuring out what to do about moons now that BL has taken the chimera/unicorn moons
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| 2015.05.12 18:34:37 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
one of the main things holding us back is a lack of bridging titans that makes it almost impossible to contest sphinx/chimera/unicorn targets without burning enough jumps that BL can wait until we're 5 jumps out then bridge in and beat us to system and camp the in gate
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| 2015.05.12 18:35:08 |
arnath_othorem[SOUND] |
sooooo basically you're saying we should all plex titans
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| 2015.05.12 18:35:14 |
Thor[SOUND] |
lack of JB's atm as well. Sov 3 get here!
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| 2015.05.12 18:35:15 |
arnath_othorem[SOUND] |
:3
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| 2015.05.12 18:35:18 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
but the other main thing is figuring out how to maximize effectiveness by running fewer fleets with more people per fleet now that we no longer can expect BRAVE on its own to more than fill a full fleet
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| 2015.05.12 18:35:41 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
it'll take time to rebuild numbers. it's not impossible
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| 2015.05.12 18:35:53 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
but we need to be realistic and say "okay, things are different than in catch, we need to adjust strategies"
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| 2015.05.12 18:43:57 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
also, have some music that pretty much summarizes my current mood about the state of HERO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVAfR3QjFKo&feature=youtu.be&t=58s
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| 2015.05.12 18:43:58 |
Thor[SOUND] |
What is the biggest obstacle to coalition coordination at the time?
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| 2015.05.12 18:44:12 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
Thor[SOUND]: people haven't fully trained domis yet
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| 2015.05.12 18:44:23 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
we gave a 2 week phase-in
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| 2015.05.12 18:44:53 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
but in the meanwhile we're in the awkward situation of needing to pile people into tengus/eagles, and domis are the higher priority if you don't have either
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| 2015.05.12 18:45:04 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
so therefore some people are unable to come to joint fleets
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| 2015.05.12 18:45:14 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
it's a really short train
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| 2015.05.12 18:45:18 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
it's not a t2 ship
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| 2015.05.12 18:46:06 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
it insures well too, so it means we can be bolder with them because they cost less to srp
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| 2015.05.12 18:50:04 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
but yeah, coalition coordination between fcs and alliances as to which timers are important etc. is dramatically improved.
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| 2015.05.12 18:50:04 |
arnath_othorem[SOUND] |
we tried domis against PL but I vaguely remember getting pretty wrecked by bombers, do we think we've figured out how to handle that?
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| 2015.05.12 18:50:25 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
arnath_othorem[SOUND]: BL doesn't have waffles or moral equivalent backing them up.
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| 2015.05.12 18:50:49 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
BLap dreads are actually a greater threat right now
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| 2015.05.12 18:51:18 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
we need to mjd when we see blap dreads to get out of their effective range. there are counters there
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| 2015.05.12 18:51:41 |
arnath_othorem[SOUND] |
that was my first thought as well, but Fountain Core might come bomber
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| 2015.05.12 18:52:10 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
arnath_othorem[SOUND]: unlikely in USTZ
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| 2015.05.12 18:52:28 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
yes, it's a problem for EU timers
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| 2015.05.12 18:52:45 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
but for that BL is less likely to show because they are mostly US
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| 2015.05.12 18:53:17 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
so we have more flexibility to run different fleet comps in eu
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| 2015.05.12 18:53:23 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
that are less bombable
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| 2015.05.12 18:55:11 |
Thor[SOUND] |
Why not have a buyback program to take the old doctrine ships and move the membership into domis to speed up adoption?
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| 2015.05.12 18:55:46 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
Thor[SOUND]: we are very leery of putting a lot of isk into someone's hands that could be stolen.
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| 2015.05.12 18:56:08 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
also we want people to keep their alliance doctrine ships - the domis are an addition, not a complete replacement at least as far as brave is concerned
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| 2015.05.12 18:56:45 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
brave will continue running eagle/tengu fleets if we don't need to merge in other alliances for single HERO fleets once domis are the single HERO doctrine
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| 2015.05.12 18:57:14 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
sound, you have specific orders about doctrine ships but I can't speak for all of hero
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| 2015.05.12 18:57:37 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
so I would refer alliance-specific questions to alliance specific channels
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| 2015.05.12 18:58:59 |
opner_dresden |
as a coalition, are we planning on fleshing out the list of common doctrines to include eagles/cerbs/something esle sexy?
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| 2015.05.12 19:01:56 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
opner_dresden: the military teams decided not to have eagles be the direction of full-coalition combined fleets because of the lack of damage flexibility
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| 2015.05.12 19:02:19 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
having people slap on kin and therm hardeners already to fight brave fleets means that putting everyone into hybrids would make it laughably easy to rep vs us
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| 2015.05.12 19:02:34 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
they're a great ship but
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| 2015.05.12 19:03:02 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
they are not a great ship to have people stop bringing their own fleets with different damage types in favor of them.
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| 2015.05.12 19:03:22 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
having eagles is great because it means you can join brave fleets
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| 2015.05.12 19:03:29 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
I'm just not betting the whole coalition on kin/therm.
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| 2015.05.12 19:03:45 |
opner_dresden |
more the question of any other doctrines being considered to add a bit of flexability
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| 2015.05.12 19:03:52 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
cerbs are an interesting question - obviously sound is very biased for cerbs but
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| 2015.05.12 19:04:07 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
we looked hard. we just couldn't see continuing to run them :(
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| 2015.05.12 19:04:16 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
the ishtar is superior in pretty much every way, sad to say.
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| 2015.05.12 19:04:22 |
opner_dresden |
I'm a huge fan of domis... but I know that's not a ship type for every engagment
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| 2015.05.12 19:04:40 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
and synergizes better with domis for training requirements.
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| 2015.05.12 19:04:46 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
so yeah :( RIP cerbs 2015
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| 2015.05.12 19:04:57 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
I couldn't see pushing them on the whole coalition. believe me I wanted to
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| 2015.05.12 19:05:03 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
but my mildir team talked me down
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| 2015.05.12 19:05:31 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
let's get everyone into domis first though. happy to discuss doing another ship next
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| 2015.05.12 19:05:35 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
walk before we run though.
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| 2015.05.12 19:05:51 |
opner_dresden |
so Gallente Cruiser 5 probably wouldn't be a wasted train :P
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| 2015.05.12 19:06:07 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
it's flexible too, you get oneiros that way too
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| 2015.05.12 19:06:15 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
cerbs are wonderful for skirmishing but just lack the oomph to force other people off field.
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| 2015.05.12 19:06:23 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
and that's really what we need right now
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| 2015.05.12 19:07:26 |
Thor[SOUND] |
is it possible that the apoc/napoc will see an entrance into hero doctrines in the future?
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| 2015.05.12 19:07:27 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
my laptop battery is dying, so I'll probably sign off in about 10 min, that's still a good hour of Q&A :)
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| 2015.05.12 19:07:50 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
Thor[SOUND]: napoc, you're funny :)
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| 2015.05.12 19:08:04 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
we're not swimming in isk like that at all, especially with the rate at which we've been losing moons ;)
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| 2015.05.12 19:08:17 |
Thor[SOUND] |
shooting high i guess :P
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| 2015.05.12 19:08:37 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
apoc is damage-locked, and as weak against blap dreads as domis are as far as being a nice big target
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| 2015.05.12 19:09:25 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
I'd want another doctrine to bring something different to the table
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| 2015.05.12 19:09:39 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
who knows, maybe Rise will buff muninns ;)
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| 2015.05.12 19:11:44 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
any other questions? if not, I'll see y'all ingame and on fleets sunday once I'm back from my trip :) (I technically get back Sat but driving 5h is fucking draining)
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| 2015.05.12 19:14:56 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
alright, I'm out for now, if there are any other questions feel free to ask here any time and I'll answer when I can :)
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| 2015.05.12 19:15:10 |
@june_ting[SOUND] |
7o
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